tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13169838.post113382299558066200..comments2023-07-31T15:17:30.792+01:00Comments on Christian Hate?: Bishops and TerrorCyrushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00512481025183200804noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13169838.post-36370588387928836362008-02-21T19:42:00.000+00:002008-02-21T19:42:00.000+00:00I've never defended the routing of the barrier and...I've never defended the routing of the barrier and I would support a call for it to be re-routed along the Green Line. The counter-question to yours is: if it's irrelevant to security, how do you explain the sharp drop in suicide attacks inside Israel since it's been in place? In the real world outside outside the propagandists' trench warfare zone people do things for complex mixtures of good and bad reasons.Cyrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00512481025183200804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13169838.post-10882724752040607862008-02-21T00:43:00.000+00:002008-02-21T00:43:00.000+00:00you'd have an argument here if the wall wasn't bui...you'd have an argument here if the wall wasn't built inside the occupied territories cutting through palestinian villages. if the point is security, then why not keep them all on the other side instead having some on your side of the 'fence'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13169838.post-50094035282415929952006-11-15T15:07:00.000+00:002006-11-15T15:07:00.000+00:00See Israel's security barrier works"See <a href="http://dfrankfurter.livejournal.com/92069.html">Israel's security barrier works"</a>Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17511332427924394950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13169838.post-1133884840137396812005-12-06T16:00:00.000+00:002005-12-06T16:00:00.000+00:00Pastorius,The people who are pacifist today were m...Pastorius,<BR/><BR/>The people who are pacifist today were mostly born long after WWII. What such people might have thought looking forward into WWII is another matter. It is, however, clear that today's pacifists face a world which, at the time of WWII, did not exist and could not be imagined.<BR/><BR/>What ought to be rather obvious from the WWII period is that, with some rather courageous exceptions, concern for the fate of Jews was rather limited among Europeans, whether liberal, socialist, fascist, communist or non-committed, etc., etc.. While most people, no doubt, were basically unconcerned and indifferent or, to be charitable, wished no one anywhere harm, an active and rather large minority opposed Jews and their hopes to escape and no one was prepared to face such active minority and their hostility.<BR/><BR/>Today, things are rather similar in Europe. None of the political parties places the concerns of Jews as equal to that of others in Europe and Israel's concerns - both legitimate and illegitimate - are low priorities. What is a high priority for Europeans, regardless of political party (with some extremist groups and individuals holding eccentric views) is finding common ground with Muslims. Nothing, even concern for the basic rights of others, which stands in the path of that cause will be protected by Europeans, without regard to party, and the needs of Jews, seen in the context of the perceived need of Europe to accomodate Islam, are irrelevant. And, as always, there is an active and fairly large minority which hates Jews. There is also a new element, a large Muslim group in Europe which actively attacks Jews while Europeans, for the most part - as during WWII - stand by silently, with the political powers trying to cover the matter up - again, due to the perceived need to accomodate Islam -.<BR/><BR/>That need is the main driving force for Antisemitism in today's Europe. <BR/><BR/>To Cyrus,<BR/><BR/>You are a very courageous soul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13169838.post-1133865931057851472005-12-06T10:45:00.000+00:002005-12-06T10:45:00.000+00:00Yes, it was well past my bedtime, thanks for the c...Yes, it was well past my bedtime, thanks for the correction. For better or for worse Bibi lives on.Cyrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00512481025183200804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13169838.post-1133851099951249762005-12-06T06:38:00.000+00:002005-12-06T06:38:00.000+00:00Cyrus,A couple of quick comments:1: The people off...Cyrus,<BR/><BR/>A couple of quick comments:<BR/><BR/>1: The people offended by the security fence - and who like to compare it to the wall through the middle of Berlin - by and large are the same folks who back the Palestinians' claim to half of Jerusalem. What do they think would run through the middle of the Holy City (again) if they got their way? Can we count on them to be outraged by that <I>deeply divisive</I> barrier (particularly since, if it follows the old armistice line, it will again be deeply dividing some people from their outhouses)?<BR/><BR/>2: Blogging when tired carries risks. The bombing happened in Netanya. Although there are some people who would be attracted to the idea of blowing up Bibi Netanyahu, so far as I know he's still standing.<BR/><BR/>Paul M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13169838.post-1133845045655866782005-12-06T04:57:00.000+00:002005-12-06T04:57:00.000+00:00Good post, Cyrus. It seems, the pacifist crowd has...Good post, Cyrus. It seems, the pacifist crowd has, somehow, confused anti-Westernism and anti-Semitism, with an anti-war stance, or perhaps, with an anti-power stance. It is a pathetically anti-intellectual conflation. <BR/><BR/>Hence, they have lost the ability to recognize evil.<BR/><BR/>Or, maybe they just hated the Jews the whole time. <BR/><BR/>The other day, I read a column from a man named Michael Phillips who noted that Pacifism is necessarily anti-Semitic, because, in it's foundation, it has to deny that WWII deposed the Nazis, and that Israel's military stands as a bulwark against fascists like Hamas, whose only goal is to kill Jews.<BR/><BR/>So, which is it? Have the Pacifists lost their way, or were they evil in the first place?Pastoriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03169561459129778670noreply@blogger.com